Comments on: Off to the Races with Kentucky Derby Collectibles http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles Get the Most from Your Antiques & Collectibles Tue, 21 May 2013 11:22:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: roger dodd http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-109537 roger dodd Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:15:43 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-109537 i have every derby pin since 1973 how much is this complete set worth i have every derby pin since 1973 how much is this complete set worth

]]> By: Elaine Puricelli http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-102808 Elaine Puricelli Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:08:55 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-102808 Anyone out there assessing value for wedding gowns? My dress is a dress rather than a gown as it is tea length. I'm learning with a steep learning curve that the value of lace alone is increasing depending upon the type of lace used. I was searching for the manufacturer of the dress, a New York city company at the time the dress was featured in Brides magazine (1984), but the company is long gone. However the dress is still pristine and it was used for my 1985 wedding, restored some time ago, only 1 restoration to date. I have schiffli lace appliques throughout the bodice, sleeves and skirt of the dress as well as the yoke or back of the dress. The dress is covered with these large appliques front and back, to the neck, to include the sleeves. I still have the manufacturers description of the dress-though it was written on the stationery of the bridal shop I used. Apparently true schiffli of this era and before, are valued. I researched a lot of old lace online last year and not just on e-bay but it seems older lace or "vintage" lace is at a premium. My 1985 dress is considered vintaqe. What are your thoughts on lace appliques? Thanks. Anyone out there assessing value for wedding gowns?
My dress is a dress rather than a gown as it is tea
length. I’m learning with a steep learning curve that
the value of lace alone is increasing depending upon the
type of lace used. I was searching for the manufacturer of the dress, a New York city company at the time the dress was featured in Brides magazine (1984), but the company is long gone. However the dress is still pristine and it was used for my 1985 wedding, restored some time ago, only 1 restoration to date. I have schiffli lace appliques throughout the bodice, sleeves and skirt of the dress as well as the yoke or back of the dress. The dress is covered with these large appliques front and back, to the neck, to include the sleeves. I still have the manufacturers description of the dress-though it was written on the stationery of the bridal shop I used. Apparently true schiffli of this era and before, are valued. I researched a lot of old lace online last year and not just on e-bay but it seems older lace or “vintage” lace is at a premium. My 1985 dress is considered vintaqe. What are your thoughts on lace appliques? Thanks.

]]> By: Elaine Puricelli http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-102806 Elaine Puricelli Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:00:33 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-102806 Hello Tom, I think I answered your question about the condition of Barbaro's bourbon, that is, the commemorative Maker's Mark bourbon bottle indicating Barbaro as the 2006 Ky Derby winner. The gold colored wax drips are intact as far as I know but I haven't taken the bottle out for inspection for some time. When I e-mailed a bourbon distributor for their opinion on maintaining the bronze color of bourbon I was told to keep the bottle out of direct sunlight. So the bottle is at constant temperature year round. To my knowlege, still in the gold foil presentation box, should have intact wax drips - I haven't inspected the bottle in a while. And as I mentioned earlier, Edgar Prado, Barbaro's jockey in the '06 Ky Derby and the fateful (career ending) '06 Preakness Stakes autographed the bottle while I was attending a race at my local track. I know that Maker's Mark, the company, didn't make the commemorative bottles themselves but that endeavor was done by someone else or some private company, either way, I believe the commemorative bottle to be a limited edition item and who knows if any other bottles in that collection were ever autographed by the late horse's jockey-the one that raced Barbaro during the Ky Derby (his "sublime" performance) and the fateful Preakness race. Today I added a color photo of Barbaro, head and neck shot, to my collection. Beautiful photo of Barbaro on professional photography paper. Maybe as more years go by and Barbaro becomes more of a legend rather than the horse that fought a brave battle then died 8 months after his break down at Pimlico (died 5 years ago this year), the value of the commemorative bottle will increase. Haven't seen anything like it on e-bay in years. Thanks. Hello Tom,
I think I answered your question about the condition of Barbaro’s bourbon, that is, the commemorative Maker’s Mark bourbon bottle indicating Barbaro as the 2006 Ky Derby winner. The gold colored wax drips are intact as far as I know but I haven’t taken the bottle out for inspection for some time. When I e-mailed a bourbon distributor for their opinion on maintaining the bronze color of bourbon I was told to keep the bottle out of direct sunlight. So the bottle is at constant temperature year round. To my knowlege, still in the gold foil presentation box, should have intact wax drips – I haven’t inspected the bottle in a while. And as I mentioned earlier, Edgar Prado, Barbaro’s jockey in the ’06 Ky Derby and the fateful (career ending) ’06 Preakness Stakes autographed the bottle while I was attending a race at my local track.
I know that Maker’s Mark, the company, didn’t make the commemorative bottles themselves but that endeavor was done by someone else or some private company, either way, I believe the commemorative bottle to be a limited edition item and who knows if any other bottles in that collection were ever autographed by the late horse’s jockey-the one that raced Barbaro during the Ky Derby (his “sublime” performance) and the fateful Preakness race.
Today I added a color photo of Barbaro, head and neck shot, to my collection. Beautiful photo of Barbaro on professional photography paper. Maybe as more years go by and Barbaro becomes more of a legend rather than the horse that fought a brave battle then died 8 months after his break down at Pimlico (died 5 years ago this year), the value of the commemorative bottle will increase. Haven’t seen anything like it on e-bay in years.
Thanks.

]]> By: Tom Carrier http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-100386 Tom Carrier Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:30:21 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-100386 Kristen: Doing just a quick review on WorthPoint, several different auction venues show that your 1945 Kentucky Derby program have recently sold for between $50 and $90. It can be higher and certainly lower depending on condition and scarcity and yours certainly fit both categories. There are many collectors and groups that deal strictly with Kentucky Derby, but visit GoAntiques.com, a sister site of WorthPoint.com to sell or review other Derby collectibles first. Thanks for visiting WorthPoint.com Tom Carrier Worthologist Kristen:

Doing just a quick review on WorthPoint, several different auction venues show that your 1945 Kentucky Derby program have recently sold for between $50 and $90. It can be higher and certainly lower depending on condition and scarcity and yours certainly fit both categories.

There are many collectors and groups that deal strictly with Kentucky Derby, but visit GoAntiques.com, a sister site of WorthPoint.com to sell or review other Derby collectibles first.

Thanks for visiting WorthPoint.com

Tom Carrier
Worthologist

]]> By: Kristen http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-100360 Kristen Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:57:44 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-100360 I have a Kentucky Derby program from 1945 in excellent condition. Can you tell me the value and how to sell it? I have a Kentucky Derby program from 1945 in excellent condition. Can you tell me the value and how to sell it?

]]> By: Tom Carrier http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-47049 Tom Carrier Mon, 09 May 2011 16:58:31 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-47049 Larry: I did some quick checking on WorthPoint which now includes all past auction prices from Ebay and most auction houses and found these: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/churchill-downs-charleswittwer-kentucky-derby http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1979-churchill-downs-kentucky-derby-whiskey http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/79-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs-full-decanter http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1979-kentucky-derby-decanter-by-old-bardstown Your decanter seems to have an auction value of between $31 and $102, all sold on Ebay within the last 3 years. Why the large difference in value? Hard to say. Is your decanter empty or full? State law doesn't allow for your decanter to be sold outside of ABC stores if it is full. Some collectors don't want empty ones. It's a difficult market. I had a special Reagan inaugural issue of Maker's Mark full whiskey bottle that had to be sold privately because of the restrictions. Check on that before offering it up on Ebay or other public venues. Hope this helps. Tom Carrier Worthologist Larry:

I did some quick checking on WorthPoint which now includes all past auction prices from Ebay and most auction houses and found these:

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/churchill-downs-charleswittwer-kentucky-derby

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1979-churchill-downs-kentucky-derby-whiskey

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/79-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs-full-decanter

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1979-kentucky-derby-decanter-by-old-bardstown

Your decanter seems to have an auction value of between $31 and $102, all sold on Ebay within the last 3 years. Why the large difference in value? Hard to say.

Is your decanter empty or full? State law doesn’t allow for your decanter to be sold outside of ABC stores if it is full. Some collectors don’t want empty ones. It’s a difficult market. I had a special Reagan inaugural issue of Maker’s Mark full whiskey bottle that had to be sold privately because of the restrictions. Check on that before offering it up on Ebay or other public venues.

Hope this helps.

Tom Carrier
Worthologist

]]> By: Larry Hanes http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-47010 Larry Hanes Sun, 08 May 2011 22:07:47 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-47010 I have a whiskey decanter I bought in 1979. It has the Kentucky Derby stands and Secretariat (head only) coming out of the front. I have been trying to find out something about this item but haven't seen another one like it. It is signed on the back by Charles A. Wittwer. Made by Aesthetic Specialties, Inc. The bourbon is Kentucky Straight Bourbon. I can send you pictures if you want. Thank you, Larry Hanes I have a whiskey decanter I bought in 1979. It has the Kentucky Derby stands and Secretariat (head only) coming out of the front. I have been trying to find out something about this item but haven’t seen another one like it. It is signed on the back by Charles A. Wittwer. Made by Aesthetic Specialties, Inc. The bourbon is Kentucky Straight Bourbon. I can send you pictures if you want.
Thank you,
Larry Hanes

]]> By: Elaine Puricelli http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-38037 Elaine Puricelli Sun, 02 Jan 2011 23:35:03 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-38037 Thank You Tom for your assessment. My commemorative Maker's Mark (gold label and wax) is a presentation bottle complete with a gold colored presentation box and Mr. Prado, Barbaro's jockey, signed the label for me making it, I think, more collectible than the rest of the M.M commemorative Barbaro bottles (it's peers issued at the same time). And of course I saved the program from the local race I attended which is where I saw Edgar Prado. I saved the pen as well. I also have an autographed copy of the book Edgar Prado wrote,"My Guy Barbaro." I have quite a few Barbaro newspaper clippings and photographs taken at various tracks as well. My unusual, "must have" pieces of the collection are pages of correspondence from the foreman of Babaro's tomb in which he states my idea for one particular feature of the tomb was being "seriously considered" by Barbaro's owners (even though the idea, to date, has not been made a reality). Also, letters of correspondence from Barbaro's vet Dr. Dean Richardson that were e-mails to me during the weekend of the tomb's unveiling. These items make the Barbaro connection to me, an avid fan of his, more real especially as time goes by. Barbaro died January 2007. While I would love to have seen Barbaro at a racetrack and never saw Barbaro while he was alive, at least I can plan a trip to Churchill Downs at any time, to visit Barbaro's tomb. Thanks again. Thank You Tom for your assessment.
My commemorative Maker’s Mark (gold label and wax) is a presentation bottle complete with a gold colored presentation box and Mr. Prado, Barbaro’s jockey, signed the label for me making it, I think, more collectible than the rest of the M.M commemorative Barbaro bottles (it’s peers issued at the same time).
And of course I saved the program from the local race I attended which is where I saw Edgar Prado. I saved the pen as well. I also have an autographed copy of the book Edgar Prado wrote,”My Guy Barbaro.” I have quite a few Barbaro newspaper clippings and photographs taken at various tracks as well. My unusual, “must have” pieces of the collection are pages of correspondence from the foreman of Babaro’s tomb in which he states my idea for one particular feature of the tomb was being “seriously considered” by Barbaro’s owners (even though the idea, to date, has not been made a reality). Also, letters of correspondence from Barbaro’s vet Dr. Dean Richardson that were e-mails to me during the weekend of the tomb’s unveiling. These items make the Barbaro connection to me, an avid fan of his, more real especially as time goes by. Barbaro died January 2007.
While I would love to have seen Barbaro at a racetrack and never saw Barbaro while he was alive, at least I can plan a trip to Churchill Downs at any time, to visit Barbaro’s tomb.
Thanks again.

]]> By: Tom Carrier http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-33359 Tom Carrier Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:11:18 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-33359 Elaine: It depends on how you define valuable. Will your items, any of your items, have a value enough to buy a new car or a new house or help you plan your retirement, then you'll be disappointed. In each collectible category there are the "have to have" items and everything else. It's the "have to have" items, the early, the unusual, the rare, the one of a kind that helps estate planning the most. In doing a quick glance at the auction results here on WorthPoint, there are any number of items for Barbaro that have been sold in recent years. The signatures, the signed posters, the newspapers, etc. The value of these items seem to be around $50 and less. However, I do like the Maker's Mark bottle. I once had a similar Maker's Mark commemorative created for a Reagan inaugural. That one went for $300 or so, because of how unusual and distinctive it was. And that brings me to my last point. Collectibility. If you are collecting only the 'commemorative' items sold by commercial companies, you will never reach that highly valued collectible. All these items are meant to be sold as commodities, not as collectibles no matter how many times they say it is one of a kind, rare, scarce, valuable in the future, whatever. They never are. If you really want to have a valuable collection, then you need to find the most unusual items associated with your interest. Another online auction featured a signed set of Kentucky Derby goggles signed by a jockey. That's an unusual item right there. For your interest in Barbaro go beyond the traditional 'commemorative' items. Find the one or two things nobody has or thought to have. That will be the most valuable item you will have. But, just in case you missed the point of collecting. It isn't always about value in the end. It's about enjoyment. Collect what you like, what you enjoy first. The value will just naturally follow. Tom Carrier Worthologist Elaine:

It depends on how you define valuable. Will your items, any of your items, have a value enough to buy a new car or a new house or help you plan your retirement, then you’ll be disappointed. In each collectible category there are the “have to have” items and everything else. It’s the “have to have” items, the early, the unusual, the rare, the one of a kind that helps estate planning the most.

In doing a quick glance at the auction results here on WorthPoint, there are any number of items for Barbaro that have been sold in recent years. The signatures, the signed posters, the newspapers, etc. The value of these items seem to be around $50 and less.

However, I do like the Maker’s Mark bottle. I once had a similar Maker’s Mark commemorative created for a Reagan inaugural. That one went for $300 or so, because of how unusual and distinctive it was.

And that brings me to my last point. Collectibility.

If you are collecting only the ‘commemorative’ items sold by commercial companies, you will never reach that highly valued collectible. All these items are meant to be sold as commodities, not as collectibles no matter how many times they say it is one of a kind, rare, scarce, valuable in the future, whatever. They never are.

If you really want to have a valuable collection, then you need to find the most unusual items associated with your interest. Another online auction featured a signed set of Kentucky Derby goggles signed by a jockey. That’s an unusual item right there. For your interest in Barbaro go beyond the traditional ‘commemorative’ items. Find the one or two things nobody has or thought to have. That will be the most valuable item you will have.

But, just in case you missed the point of collecting. It isn’t always about value in the end. It’s about enjoyment. Collect what you like, what you enjoy first. The value will just naturally follow.

Tom Carrier
Worthologist

]]> By: Elaine Puricelli http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-33317 Elaine Puricelli Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:45:32 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-33317 Hello, I've been looking for a Ky Derby memorabilia discussion site to no avail. I have several Barbaro items: I'm hoping that in the future they will be highly collectible. Along with my own binder of newspaper clippings and a few magazines (Blood horse and a commemorative Barbaro magazine published around the time of his death). The crown jewels of my collection are jockey Edgar Prado's book My Guy Barbaro which he autographed for me, and a fifth of bourbon in the Maker's Mark, gold colored commemorative bottle which is in pristeen condition along with its gold colored presentation box. The label of the bourbon bottle was autographed by jockey Edgar Prado as he thanked me for "honoring Barbaro." Do you suspect that at least my crown jewel items will be valuable in the future? Thanks for any information. Hello,
I’ve been looking for a Ky Derby memorabilia discussion site to no avail.
I have several Barbaro items: I’m hoping that in the future they will be highly collectible.
Along with my own binder of newspaper clippings and a few magazines (Blood horse and a commemorative Barbaro magazine published around the time of his death). The crown jewels of my collection are jockey Edgar Prado’s book My Guy Barbaro which he autographed for me, and a fifth of bourbon in the Maker’s Mark, gold colored commemorative bottle which is in pristeen condition along with its gold colored presentation box. The label of the bourbon bottle was autographed by jockey Edgar Prado as he thanked me for “honoring Barbaro.”
Do you suspect that at least my crown jewel items will be valuable in the future? Thanks for any information.

]]> By: Linda http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-16619 Linda Fri, 28 May 2010 15:13:40 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-16619 Maryann, I live in Louisville and that sounds like a keychain. I haven't seen them in years, but when I was little I remember my Mom and several of my friends' mothers had one. If it has a hole in the top to accept a loop, I'd say that's what you have. That seat wouldn't exist anymore (they remodeled the Downs several years ago) I'd expect, but back in the day that would have been a great seat. For Derby 1988, I was 19. I don't remember it, but I'd be willing to bet a large sum I enjoyed it. Maryann, I live in Louisville and that sounds like a keychain. I haven’t seen them in years, but when I was little I remember my Mom and several of my friends’ mothers had one. If it has a hole in the top to accept a loop, I’d say that’s what you have. That seat wouldn’t exist anymore (they remodeled the Downs several years ago) I’d expect, but back in the day that would have been a great seat. For Derby 1988, I was 19. I don’t remember it, but I’d be willing to bet a large sum I enjoyed it.

]]> By: Maryann U http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-16545 Maryann U Tue, 25 May 2010 19:32:54 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-16545 I'd appreciate any guidance about the metal and enamel piece I have from the 1988 Kentucky Derby, #114. It's approximately 1.5" X 3.75", possibly made of brass, and seems to be a ticket to "Admit One" for $70.00 to Section 1, Box 122, Seat 3 - First Floor Clubhouse Box. Thank you very much! I’d appreciate any guidance about the metal and enamel piece I have from the 1988 Kentucky Derby, #114. It’s approximately 1.5″ X 3.75″, possibly made of brass, and seems to be a ticket to “Admit One” for $70.00 to Section 1, Box 122, Seat 3 – First Floor Clubhouse Box.

Thank you very much!

]]> By: Mary Brenneman http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-3720 Mary Brenneman Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:09:51 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-3720 You can post your items in the classifieds. As a member you can post some ads for free. You can register for our free trial membership at http://www.worthpoint.com/user2/createStep1 I have Derby Glasses too. Each year I attend my friend Sharon's Derby Party and she serves her mint juleps in that year's Derby Glasses and gives them to guests as party favors. However 1945 goes back a long way. I see you live in the Louisville area from your area code. Try the classifieds. Send us a twitter when you post them at http://www.twitter.com/worthpoint I can't wait to see them so ad pictures! mary You can post your items in the classifieds. As a member you can post some ads for free. You can register for our free trial membership at http://www.worthpoint.com/user2/createStep1
I have Derby Glasses too. Each year I attend my friend Sharon’s Derby Party and she serves her mint juleps in that year’s Derby Glasses and gives them to guests as party favors. However 1945 goes back a long way. I see you live in the Louisville area from your area code. Try the classifieds. Send us a twitter when you post them at http://www.twitter.com/worthpoint
I can’t wait to see them so ad pictures!
mary

]]> By: James Smith http://www.worthpoint.com/article/races-kentucky-derby-collectibles/comment-page-1#comment-3636 James Smith Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:43:38 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2481753#comment-3636 Hi I would like to know if you buy derby glass's I have 6 1945 in mint shape,they are real not fakes. If interested my number is 502 767-9679 Thank you jim Hi
I would like to know if you buy derby glass’s
I have 6 1945 in mint shape,they are real not fakes.
If interested my number is
502 767-9679
Thank you
jim

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