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		<title>By: V Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/expert-appraisers-great-find/comment-page-1#comment-4341</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a professional appraiser, the problem here is really for the appraisers.  They did not exercise due diligence.  They did not research the item.  With a modest amount of due diligence they would have compiled enough information to  realize that what these items were and what they were worth.  They would have realized the items should not have been offered at an estate sale.  Furthermore, if the previous owner discovers that pieces were sold for nothing considering the real FMV then they could sue the appraiser and the appraiser could be penalized and his certification revoked.

Also, it has not been discussed as to the professional status of the appraisers.  People can call themselves appraisers;however, one should always check their credentials and level of expertise and experience appraising items they are being hired to evaluate. Appraisers who have studied, passed tests and received accreditation through one of three major appraisal organizations are professionals.  They have invested time and money to prepare themselves for the job.

 If the estate sale manager did not hire professionals then the problem of liability becomes theirs.  

Moral of the story, make sure you are dealing with professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a professional appraiser, the problem here is really for the appraisers.  They did not exercise due diligence.  They did not research the item.  With a modest amount of due diligence they would have compiled enough information to  realize that what these items were and what they were worth.  They would have realized the items should not have been offered at an estate sale.  Furthermore, if the previous owner discovers that pieces were sold for nothing considering the real FMV then they could sue the appraiser and the appraiser could be penalized and his certification revoked.</p>
<p>Also, it has not been discussed as to the professional status of the appraisers.  People can call themselves appraisers;however, one should always check their credentials and level of expertise and experience appraising items they are being hired to evaluate. Appraisers who have studied, passed tests and received accreditation through one of three major appraisal organizations are professionals.  They have invested time and money to prepare themselves for the job.</p>
<p> If the estate sale manager did not hire professionals then the problem of liability becomes theirs.  </p>
<p>Moral of the story, make sure you are dealing with professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Holderman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Holderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Worthologist, I would like to echo Greg&#039;s comment above, which I was just about to post myself. Worthologists are not allowed, by contract, to buy any of the items they are asked to appraise.  

Worthologists know their reputations are at stake when they are valuing antiques and collectibles, so quite a bit of background research goes into each opinion.  The valuations are not only based on years of experience but also on historical data - including prices realized from recent auctions, catalogs, antique stores and the like.  

We enjoy doing evaluations and strive to provide comprehensive background material and very accurate estimates.  It&#039;s always fun to share information about vintage items.  And I&#039;m totally delighted when I can tell an owner that he owns a hidden treasure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Worthologist, I would like to echo Greg&#8217;s comment above, which I was just about to post myself. Worthologists are not allowed, by contract, to buy any of the items they are asked to appraise.  </p>
<p>Worthologists know their reputations are at stake when they are valuing antiques and collectibles, so quite a bit of background research goes into each opinion.  The valuations are not only based on years of experience but also on historical data &#8211; including prices realized from recent auctions, catalogs, antique stores and the like.  </p>
<p>We enjoy doing evaluations and strive to provide comprehensive background material and very accurate estimates.  It&#8217;s always fun to share information about vintage items.  And I&#8217;m totally delighted when I can tell an owner that he owns a hidden treasure!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Watkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify a question Betty asked, namely: Makes you wonder if you’d be taken for a ride with an “expert appraiser” by the “Worthologist.”

When you engage a Worthologist through WorthPoint’s “Ask a Worthologist” service, you are hiring a professional who is pledged to provide an unbiased, expert opinion of a collectible or antique, including an estimated range of its fair market value. We are working for you. Furthermore, the Worthologist, and any member of WorthPoint, for that matter, is contractually banned from making an offer to buy the item. This assures that there will be no low-balling on the value in an effort to make an easy score at the expense of the customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify a question Betty asked, namely: Makes you wonder if you’d be taken for a ride with an “expert appraiser” by the “Worthologist.”</p>
<p>When you engage a Worthologist through WorthPoint’s “Ask a Worthologist” service, you are hiring a professional who is pledged to provide an unbiased, expert opinion of a collectible or antique, including an estimated range of its fair market value. We are working for you. Furthermore, the Worthologist, and any member of WorthPoint, for that matter, is contractually banned from making an offer to buy the item. This assures that there will be no low-balling on the value in an effort to make an easy score at the expense of the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Will, This sort of thing happens all the time. Imagine what bargains there were at the start of the sale! Or even the night before when some estate appraisers let their cronies in early to buy.

 Normally, the estate tag sale operators have 1-2 maybe even 5 people appraising and tagging items in preparation for a sale. There are not 5 people in the world who know everything about all valuable antiques, there are however people with a good instinct and the knowledge to ask a specialist for an opinion. Besides, if every appraiser priced everthing up to it&#039;s full value or even close ...they would not have many people coming to their sales.

 A note to Gary Smith and Betty Ruis who posted on this subject. Normally I would agree with you ...if someone knows for certain an item they are purchasing was a steal, it would not be very ethical (greedy) to ask for a discount.

 ...better to pay cash anonymously and duck out real quick ...or be sued for taking advantage. LOL

But this was certainly not the case here. If Gary and Betty had read the story thoughtfully instead of jumping to a quick  vindictive conclusion, they would have noticed Will &quot;thought&quot; the items were 18th century and did not know the mark was Sevres. His first guess was Meissen and had that been the case, since they had no color or great detail as a good Meissen piece should, the value would be much less. For all he knew, they were Victorian or later fakes. One more point, if Will knew they were worth 20 times what he paid why would he have had to ask Mr. Pattie? 

One more point, antiques prices as of late have been falling, many reserved antique auction items are going unsold and other are being sold at price half of what they would have just 2 years ago. This is true for the more common and collectible antiques. Some of the rarest items in excellent condition remain strong but the antiques market is certainly readjusting itself. 


I&#039;ve been to at least a thousand estate sales in my life (some humdingers in Atlanta) and know how it works. There are no returns and had they been fakes or otherwise worth less than he paid... he would eat it.

 Most of these sales are run &quot;certified&quot; appraisers and a members of some association, federation or guild of some type. Each requires going to a few seminars, classes or some minimal schooling to learn how to fill out appraisal forms and the like. You pay your money, get your fancy certificate and then (if you state requires one) a license. Thats is not to say licensed appraisers do not know antiques because there are some extremely competent ones. Those usually are the ones  &quot;with a good instinct and the knowledge to ask a specialist for an opinion&quot;.

Appraising antiques is not an easy business, yet it very easy to get a license or certification. Most appraisal schools teach the basic law and pencil work of the appraisal biz and comparitively little of item they appraise. I compare that to teaching a surgeon how to make out a bill for the patient and the hospital rules, but not showing how to repair or replace an organ! The best appraisers have established a large network of specialists who assist them in identification and valuation of articles. Even auction results cannot be trusted a some auctioneers report items as sold when in truth they have been bought in. It takes a knowledgeable specialist to see past the smoke screen and come up with realistic values. 

Here&#039;s a true story...

A long time ago in a place not to far away (New Jersey), an antiques dealer was called to the home of a sweet little old lady. In her basement was this very old grandfather clock in need of some minor repairs. She said to the gentleman &quot;it was here when I bought the house years ago and I don&#039;t want it anymore&quot;. So the dealer asked &quot;how much do you want for it&quot; to which the lady replied &quot;Five Hundred Dollars&quot;. So the dealer took out his flashlight and inspected  the clock very carefully, and finally said &quot;well Mam, your clock is very nice, in fact much nicer than the $500 you are asking for it. I want to be fair with you, so I&#039;ll pay you $2,500 for it&quot;. The woman gasp and her head sunk low. After a moment she looked up and said &quot;No, no I&#039;m going to keep it, the clock is no longer for sale. She thanked the dealer and showed him to the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Will, This sort of thing happens all the time. Imagine what bargains there were at the start of the sale! Or even the night before when some estate appraisers let their cronies in early to buy.</p>
<p> Normally, the estate tag sale operators have 1-2 maybe even 5 people appraising and tagging items in preparation for a sale. There are not 5 people in the world who know everything about all valuable antiques, there are however people with a good instinct and the knowledge to ask a specialist for an opinion. Besides, if every appraiser priced everthing up to it&#8217;s full value or even close &#8230;they would not have many people coming to their sales.</p>
<p> A note to Gary Smith and Betty Ruis who posted on this subject. Normally I would agree with you &#8230;if someone knows for certain an item they are purchasing was a steal, it would not be very ethical (greedy) to ask for a discount.</p>
<p> &#8230;better to pay cash anonymously and duck out real quick &#8230;or be sued for taking advantage. LOL</p>
<p>But this was certainly not the case here. If Gary and Betty had read the story thoughtfully instead of jumping to a quick  vindictive conclusion, they would have noticed Will &#8220;thought&#8221; the items were 18th century and did not know the mark was Sevres. His first guess was Meissen and had that been the case, since they had no color or great detail as a good Meissen piece should, the value would be much less. For all he knew, they were Victorian or later fakes. One more point, if Will knew they were worth 20 times what he paid why would he have had to ask Mr. Pattie? </p>
<p>One more point, antiques prices as of late have been falling, many reserved antique auction items are going unsold and other are being sold at price half of what they would have just 2 years ago. This is true for the more common and collectible antiques. Some of the rarest items in excellent condition remain strong but the antiques market is certainly readjusting itself. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to at least a thousand estate sales in my life (some humdingers in Atlanta) and know how it works. There are no returns and had they been fakes or otherwise worth less than he paid&#8230; he would eat it.</p>
<p> Most of these sales are run &#8220;certified&#8221; appraisers and a members of some association, federation or guild of some type. Each requires going to a few seminars, classes or some minimal schooling to learn how to fill out appraisal forms and the like. You pay your money, get your fancy certificate and then (if you state requires one) a license. Thats is not to say licensed appraisers do not know antiques because there are some extremely competent ones. Those usually are the ones  &#8220;with a good instinct and the knowledge to ask a specialist for an opinion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Appraising antiques is not an easy business, yet it very easy to get a license or certification. Most appraisal schools teach the basic law and pencil work of the appraisal biz and comparitively little of item they appraise. I compare that to teaching a surgeon how to make out a bill for the patient and the hospital rules, but not showing how to repair or replace an organ! The best appraisers have established a large network of specialists who assist them in identification and valuation of articles. Even auction results cannot be trusted a some auctioneers report items as sold when in truth they have been bought in. It takes a knowledgeable specialist to see past the smoke screen and come up with realistic values. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a true story&#8230;</p>
<p>A long time ago in a place not to far away (New Jersey), an antiques dealer was called to the home of a sweet little old lady. In her basement was this very old grandfather clock in need of some minor repairs. She said to the gentleman &#8220;it was here when I bought the house years ago and I don&#8217;t want it anymore&#8221;. So the dealer asked &#8220;how much do you want for it&#8221; to which the lady replied &#8220;Five Hundred Dollars&#8221;. So the dealer took out his flashlight and inspected  the clock very carefully, and finally said &#8220;well Mam, your clock is very nice, in fact much nicer than the $500 you are asking for it. I want to be fair with you, so I&#8217;ll pay you $2,500 for it&#8221;. The woman gasp and her head sunk low. After a moment she looked up and said &#8220;No, no I&#8217;m going to keep it, the clock is no longer for sale. She thanked the dealer and showed him to the door.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Isaacs</title>
		<link>http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/expert-appraisers-great-find/comment-page-1#comment-4229</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Isaacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last moving sale I was at (at closing time, the last day), I saw an old chest of drawers I liked, and I asked the price.  He said &quot;five bucks&quot;.  I said, &quot;no, no, no!&quot; He looked at me oddly, and said &quot;is that . . . ahh . . . too little?&quot;  I replied, &quot;way too little!&quot; So he said &quot;how about $25?&quot;--which I gladly paid.  And so I carted away a pine chest with hand-cut dovetails and old square nails visible in the inside corners of the slides, which I discovered after I got it home.  I also found an old pencil inscription on the inside giving the provenance and dating it to the mid 1800&#039;s.  I got a great buy, and I felt a little better about it than I would have if I&#039;d bought it for $5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last moving sale I was at (at closing time, the last day), I saw an old chest of drawers I liked, and I asked the price.  He said &#8220;five bucks&#8221;.  I said, &#8220;no, no, no!&#8221; He looked at me oddly, and said &#8220;is that . . . ahh . . . too little?&#8221;  I replied, &#8220;way too little!&#8221; So he said &#8220;how about $25?&#8221;&#8211;which I gladly paid.  And so I carted away a pine chest with hand-cut dovetails and old square nails visible in the inside corners of the slides, which I discovered after I got it home.  I also found an old pencil inscription on the inside giving the provenance and dating it to the mid 1800&#8217;s.  I got a great buy, and I felt a little better about it than I would have if I&#8217;d bought it for $5.</p>
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		<title>By: vince jelenic</title>
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		<dc:creator>vince jelenic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how greed enters into this. 
the buyer took a considered chance, and the seller was happy to apply the discount. 

Others have commented on how it affects their view of a &quot;worthologist&quot; -- again very mistaken. 

As a buyer you have one responsibility - to purchase at the lowest or most reasonable cost you can find for resale. 

As an appraiser your responsibility has shifted to representing the best interests of your client. 

As an appraiser/buyer, your responsibility is to give your customer the best reasonable estimate of the real value of their item, and as buyer/appraiser you must clearly state that you will pay x% of that value to purchase immediately for resale.   

That&#039;s it, no greed involved in any of these proceudres. It is just business. Greed can only interject itself if you actually MISREPRESENT the item, or it&#039;s value intentionally. 

Doesn&#039;t sound like that was done in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how greed enters into this.<br />
the buyer took a considered chance, and the seller was happy to apply the discount. </p>
<p>Others have commented on how it affects their view of a &#8220;worthologist&#8221; &#8212; again very mistaken. </p>
<p>As a buyer you have one responsibility &#8211; to purchase at the lowest or most reasonable cost you can find for resale. </p>
<p>As an appraiser your responsibility has shifted to representing the best interests of your client. </p>
<p>As an appraiser/buyer, your responsibility is to give your customer the best reasonable estimate of the real value of their item, and as buyer/appraiser you must clearly state that you will pay x% of that value to purchase immediately for resale.   </p>
<p>That&#8217;s it, no greed involved in any of these proceudres. It is just business. Greed can only interject itself if you actually MISREPRESENT the item, or it&#8217;s value intentionally. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound like that was done in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Linville</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Linville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I conduct Estate Tag Sales for one of the banks in our town and have been doing this for about 10 years.  You can&#039;t possibly get every item priced right everytime, you will overlook something in the rush to get everything ready and I usually know when something I have priced modestly flies out of the sale during the first hectic 30 minutes.  Like the sellers in this case if this was the end of the first day I would have wondered if they would sell on the second day or be left for goodwill.  You just have to be thankful if you are the buyer and if you are the seller promise yourself to look more closely the next time.  Judy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I conduct Estate Tag Sales for one of the banks in our town and have been doing this for about 10 years.  You can&#8217;t possibly get every item priced right everytime, you will overlook something in the rush to get everything ready and I usually know when something I have priced modestly flies out of the sale during the first hectic 30 minutes.  Like the sellers in this case if this was the end of the first day I would have wondered if they would sell on the second day or be left for goodwill.  You just have to be thankful if you are the buyer and if you are the seller promise yourself to look more closely the next time.  Judy</p>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Batson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael W. Batson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bizzness is bizzness</description>
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		<title>By: tom curb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom curb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidently Gary does not understand/have the soul of a trader.  I once had a friend pull six grey iron soldiers out of his pocket.  At the time they were worth 8 to 15 dollars each.  When I asked where he got them, he said at a garage sale.  Taking them to the owner, he had asked, &quot;How much?&quot;  The reply was a nickle each.  His counter, &quot;Take a quarter for all of them?&quot; The reply, &quot;Sure.&quot;

I laughed, and he said, &quot;I just had to try.&quot;  I understood -It&#039;s not a &quot;greed&quot; issue - no true trader ever wants to lose his edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently Gary does not understand/have the soul of a trader.  I once had a friend pull six grey iron soldiers out of his pocket.  At the time they were worth 8 to 15 dollars each.  When I asked where he got them, he said at a garage sale.  Taking them to the owner, he had asked, &#8220;How much?&#8221;  The reply was a nickle each.  His counter, &#8220;Take a quarter for all of them?&#8221; The reply, &#8220;Sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>I laughed, and he said, &#8220;I just had to try.&#8221;  I understood -It&#8217;s not a &#8220;greed&#8221; issue &#8211; no true trader ever wants to lose his edge.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Mire</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Mire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price of something is what one is willing to sell for and a buyer is willing to pay.  Value is something different altogether.  If they were willing to drop the price, then why not?  Greed has nothing to do with it.  Everyone dickers on price.  What the heck do you think happens at auctions?  Would you pay more for peaches at one grocery when you knew the higher price was being charged at another store?  Of course not.

Mr. Watkins - well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price of something is what one is willing to sell for and a buyer is willing to pay.  Value is something different altogether.  If they were willing to drop the price, then why not?  Greed has nothing to do with it.  Everyone dickers on price.  What the heck do you think happens at auctions?  Would you pay more for peaches at one grocery when you knew the higher price was being charged at another store?  Of course not.</p>
<p>Mr. Watkins &#8211; well done!</p>
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