Comments on: Persian Lamb: Telling the Genuine from the Faux http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine Get the Most from Your Antiques & Collectibles Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:00:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Colleen Millar http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-90951 Colleen Millar Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:55:54 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-90951 I agree that redesigning a vintage coat is the way to go. I have been buying up coats for just this purpose. I am on the look-out for persian lamb, I have always used mink. I want to turn it into a designer bag and a vest like you have. Last week I took a purse that I had never used and added a mink flap and voila everyone is amazed the the look. I now want to start working with persian lamb. I am all about recycling old into new !!! I agree that redesigning a vintage coat is the way to go. I have been buying up coats for just this purpose. I am on the look-out for persian lamb, I have always used mink. I want to turn it into a designer bag and a vest like you have. Last week I took a purse that I had never used and added a mink flap and voila everyone is amazed the the look. I now want to start working with persian lamb. I am all about recycling old into new !!!

]]> By: Kathryn Snelling Olenyik http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-82070 Kathryn Snelling Olenyik Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:59:55 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-82070 I just got my hands on my great-aunt's Persian lamb swing coat. She was very short and I am almost 6' but I love the fur AND the black sable mink collar!! So, I simply took it to a seamstress and had her removed the sleeves and make the armhole a bit larger and Voila! I have the most FABULOUS vest!! I'm saving the extra fun to make a jacket and use on the collar and cuffs! My aunt would be so thrill that I am "recycling" her coat!! I also have her 3/4" white mink coat and don't know what to do with that! Suggestions? I just got my hands on my great-aunt’s Persian lamb swing coat. She was very short and I am almost 6′ but I love the fur AND the black sable mink collar!! So, I simply took it to a seamstress and had her removed the sleeves and make the armhole a bit larger and Voila! I have the most FABULOUS vest!! I’m saving the extra fun to make a jacket and use on the collar and cuffs! My aunt would be so thrill that I am “recycling” her coat!!

I also have her 3/4″ white mink coat and don’t know what to do with that! Suggestions?

]]> By: Sharyn Migdol http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-73455 Sharyn Migdol Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:07:44 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-73455 I inherited my mother's genuine persian lamb jacket with mink color and cuffs. I believe it was purchased from a furrier in the 1950's. I know my mother only wore it once as she had no place "fancy enough" to wear it. I have never worn it for the same reason. It is in absolute excellent and unworn condition. I now must sell it because I'm moving to Hawaii and know I will never be able to wear it. Can you please give me a ballpark range of what it would be worth so I can sell it? Thank you. I inherited my mother’s genuine persian lamb jacket with mink color and cuffs. I believe it was purchased from a furrier in the 1950′s.

I know my mother only wore it once as she had no place “fancy enough” to wear it. I have never worn it for the same reason. It is in absolute excellent and unworn condition.

I now must sell it because I’m moving to Hawaii and know I will never be able to wear it.

Can you please give me a ballpark range of what it would be worth so I can sell it? Thank you.

]]> By: Deb Bilinski http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-70631 Deb Bilinski Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:31:24 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-70631 I was given a vintage persian lamb coat and wish to sell it. Unfortunately none of the vintage shops in my area will even look at it. Any suggestions? It is a full length coat with a black mink collar. It also has the most marvelous buttons. I live in upstate NY I was given a vintage persian lamb coat and wish to sell it. Unfortunately none of the vintage shops in my area will even look at it. Any suggestions? It is a full length coat with a black mink collar. It also has the most marvelous buttons. I live in upstate NY

]]> By: Amanda http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-70617 Amanda Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:44:43 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-70617 Hi Sharon My local vintage shop is selling a 'persian lamb full length coat for £1200. Trouble is it is cream. From your site I see they are all black or occassionally dark brown. Can you get them in cream or is this a fake? Thanks Amanda Hi Sharon
My local vintage shop is selling a ‘persian lamb full length coat for £1200. Trouble is it is cream. From your site I see they are all black or occassionally dark brown. Can you get them in cream or is this a fake?
Thanks
Amanda

]]> By: elizabeth http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-70558 elizabeth Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:19:37 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-70558 i have a black persian lamb walking coat with a mink collar. it says g. fox and company hartford connecticut. from the 50's or 60's. what is the approximate worth? Thanks for the help! i have a black persian lamb walking coat with a mink collar. it says g. fox and company hartford connecticut. from the 50′s or 60′s. what is the approximate worth?
Thanks for the help!

]]> By: Peggy Brown Melfi http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-70109 Peggy Brown Melfi Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:54:08 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-70109 What interesting and great info! I have (what I believe is) a Persian lamb scarf) that I'll now go and check. Seems to me, since it's wool, that it would be VERY warm for the mid-Easterners who were asking, as well as very weather proof--shake off the rain or snow. Is this a duhh-h-h?, or am I making an ass-u-me? Can I ASSUME the ?'s that weren't answered have to submit a Worthologist request? Bummer! What interesting and great info! I have (what I believe is) a Persian lamb scarf) that I’ll now go and check.
Seems to me, since it’s wool, that it would be VERY warm for the mid-Easterners who were asking, as well as very weather proof–shake off the rain or snow. Is this a duhh-h-h?, or am I making an ass-u-me?
Can I ASSUME the ?’s that weren’t answered have to submit a Worthologist request? Bummer!

]]> By: Carolyn http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-57840 Carolyn Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:21:51 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-57840 I have two of my grandmother's "persian lamb" coats. One is short cropped jacket with no label and a fur collar;the lamb's wool clearly has fabric between the curls. The other is long with a label that says "Designed by John Pilibosian New York" and has the qualities of the authentic persian lamb you describe in your article. Is this designer's name familiar to you/anyone reading this? Thank you in advance. I have two of my grandmother’s “persian lamb” coats. One is short cropped jacket with no label and a fur collar;the lamb’s wool clearly has fabric between the curls. The other is long with a label that says “Designed by John Pilibosian New York” and has the qualities of the authentic persian lamb you describe in your article. Is this designer’s name familiar to you/anyone reading this? Thank you in advance.

]]> By: Betty http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-46914 Betty Fri, 06 May 2011 15:09:22 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-46914 Yes Kay it's disgusting. "Ladies and possibly a gentleman or two" go right ahead & wear your dead lamb skin with attitude so people know you're not wearing faux. And in regards to VALUE$$$$ the SKIN was worth more to the lamb it was ripped from. Really how disgusting. Yes Kay it’s disgusting. “Ladies and possibly a gentleman or two” go right ahead & wear your dead lamb skin with attitude so people know you’re not wearing faux. And in regards to VALUE$$$$ the SKIN was worth more to the lamb it was ripped from. Really how disgusting.

]]> By: Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-41638 Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:12:35 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-41638 HI Katie, Yes, it's possible for the hide to appear gray if it has been dyed black. It sounds real, but it would be good if she could take a picture of the hide and send it to you. It shouldn't look like any type of woven fabric at all, should look smooth and not fuzzy. Take care, Sharon HI Katie,
Yes, it’s possible for the hide to appear gray if it has been dyed black. It sounds real, but it would be good if she could take a picture of the hide and send it to you. It shouldn’t look like any type of woven fabric at all, should look smooth and not fuzzy.

Take care,
Sharon

]]> By: Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-41637 Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:10:11 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-41637 Hi Amylynne, Wait a bit...I have located some "at home" cleaning and conditioning products and I plan to test them. If I think they're good, I'll recommend them here. Wouldn't that be great, if we can do it at home? I can't wait to report back! Take care, Sharon Hi Amylynne,

Wait a bit…I have located some “at home” cleaning and conditioning products and I plan to test them. If I think they’re good, I’ll recommend them here. Wouldn’t that be great, if we can do it at home? I can’t wait to report back!

Take care,
Sharon

]]> By: Katie http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-41632 Katie Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:56:42 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-41632 Dear sharon, I am looking at a Persian wool coat on line. It has a grollmans Easton pa for the label the person selling it says that the hide under the liner is grey. The seller says it is very heavy. Is this possible? Thank you, Katie Dear sharon,
I am looking at a Persian wool coat on line. It has a grollmans Easton pa for the label the person selling it says that the hide under the liner is grey. The seller says it is very heavy. Is this possible?
Thank you,
Katie

]]> By: amylynne http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-41198 amylynne Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:25:47 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-41198 Sharon-- what a GREAT article! I learned A LOT! I recently found a sweet grey and black persian lamb coat witha mink collar. The label said Schiaparelli (sp? I don't have it handy) and the this was also sewn all over the lining as well. I bought the coat for myself as a treat; it has been so cold and miserable lately here in the NorthEast (Massachusetts) It is a coat I can see myself wearing for many many years. I purchased the coat for $221, and left the store. Much to my surprise, I got a call from the store owner a day later..the coat had been mismarked--she was NOT calling to get more $ or try to get the coat back, but to tell me that there had been a nistake, and the coat was supposed to have been listed at $2210! I went back to the store to check, and saw another similar Schiaparelli persian lamb coat for $1600+!! My feeling is that the coat or any item is "worth" whatever the market (buyer) is willing to pay! I LOVE the coat, but could NEVER have afforded that price! Anyway...now my question...ssince the persian lamb coat has actual wool on the outside, is there any special care instructions? How can you keep the skin from getting too dry? Is there an oil or some conditioner? And is the coat worth insuring? I don't want an appraisal; I am just curious if vintage Schiaparelli persian lamb coats in excellent condition actually sell for over $2200?!? Many thanks! Amylynne Sharon– what a GREAT article! I learned A LOT! I recently found a sweet grey and black persian lamb coat witha mink collar. The label said Schiaparelli (sp? I don’t have it handy) and the this was also sewn all over the lining as well. I bought the coat for myself as a treat; it has been so cold and miserable lately here in the NorthEast (Massachusetts) It is a coat I can see myself wearing for many many years. I purchased the coat for $221, and left the store. Much to my surprise, I got a call from the store owner a day later..the coat had been mismarked–she was NOT calling to get more $ or try to get the coat back, but to tell me that there had been a nistake, and the coat was supposed to have been listed at $2210! I went back to the store to check, and saw another similar Schiaparelli persian lamb coat for $1600+!! My feeling is that the coat or any item is “worth” whatever the market (buyer) is willing to pay! I LOVE the coat, but could NEVER have afforded that price! Anyway…now my question…ssince the persian lamb coat has actual wool on the outside, is there any special care instructions? How can you keep the skin from getting too dry? Is there an oil or some conditioner? And is the coat worth insuring? I don’t want an appraisal; I am just curious if vintage Schiaparelli persian lamb coats in excellent condition actually sell for over $2200?!? Many thanks! Amylynne

]]> By: Lorna Parasilti http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-35660 Lorna Parasilti Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:44:55 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-35660 Found a vintage coat that is black and brown with an art deco label, Harry Glotzer, 108 Pratt Street, Hartford, Conn. Any idea how old it is? Found a vintage coat that is black and brown with an art deco label, Harry Glotzer, 108 Pratt Street, Hartford, Conn. Any idea how old it is?

]]> By: Emily http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-35402 Emily Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:18:17 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-35402 I'm so glad that I found this article. I just cleaned out my closet and came across my black lambs wool coat that was given to me by my Great Aunt. The lining was silk and was ripped pretty bad. Since I love the coat, I decided to take out the lining and try and re-line it so that I could still wear the coat. Upon removing the old torn lining, I discovered a stamp that I decided to check out (how I found this article). It is stamped "H.Basch & Co Hammer - Brani " on all of the leather pieces sown together. There is also a date of 1958 w/ 16 listed under it. I'm guessing that 1958 was the year it was made, but I'm not sure about the "16" Anyway, any suggestions on relining the coat? Should I attempt to do it myself? I'm a bit nervous about damaging the leather now. Can I condition it somehow first and then reline it? Thanks! Emily I’m so glad that I found this article. I just cleaned out my closet and came across my black lambs wool coat that was given to me by my Great Aunt. The lining was silk and was ripped pretty bad. Since I love the coat, I decided to take out the lining and try and re-line it so that I could still wear the coat. Upon removing the old torn lining, I discovered a stamp that I decided to check out (how I found this article). It is stamped “H.Basch & Co Hammer – Brani ” on all of the leather pieces sown together. There is also a date of 1958 w/ 16 listed under it. I’m guessing that 1958 was the year it was made, but I’m not sure about the “16″

Anyway, any suggestions on relining the coat? Should I attempt to do it myself? I’m a bit nervous about damaging the leather now. Can I condition it somehow first and then reline it?

Thanks!

Emily

]]> By: Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-34946 Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:52:16 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-34946 Hi Cyn, Well, I hate to say you should ever assume, but the chances are very, very good that it's a real fur. Furrier's occasionally do sell faux furs, but all the best furriers I have ever been to have only sold the real thing. I have seen a furrier's label in a faux fur once or twice, but it's very rare. Try the tests I outline in the article to see if you can determine if it's real or faux. I'm betting on the real, but of course, cannot guarantee. Hi Cyn,

Well, I hate to say you should ever assume, but the chances are very, very good that it’s a real fur. Furrier’s occasionally do sell faux furs, but all the best furriers I have ever been to have only sold the real thing. I have seen a furrier’s label in a faux fur once or twice, but it’s very rare. Try the tests I outline in the article to see if you can determine if it’s real or faux. I’m betting on the real, but of course, cannot guarantee.

]]> By: cyn gioergio http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-34933 cyn gioergio Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:32:54 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-34933 I am thinking of buying a gray varigated short persian lamb jacket, it has a label saying "Ozan Furs Reading Pa" should I assume this this is a real fur jackets because it was bought at a furrier shop? I am thinking of buying a gray varigated short persian lamb jacket, it has a label saying “Ozan Furs Reading Pa” should I assume this this is a real fur jackets because it was bought at a furrier shop?

]]> By: Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-32957 Sharon Maxwell-Yamamoto Sun, 24 Oct 2010 22:23:24 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-32957 Hi Sarah, Oh my, I'm sorry to tell you that it seems like a lost cause. If it's splitting all over like that, you have surmised correctly, it's dried out. Live and learn...we've all been stung like that, I'll bet. I've had the same thing happen to me! Is there any way you can go back to the seller and tell/show them what happened? It doesn't seem right that it's absolutely unwearable. If not, you have to just chalk it up to experience and maybe make a pillow or bears out of it. I would do pillows because I don't know how to make bears! LOL But next time, test the fur out (gently) by pulling on some of the areas that would get stressed to make sure it's still sturdy enough to wear. Don't shake vigorously, as that can actually tear a skin, but a little pulling won't hurt if the skins are still wearable. It's a bummer, though, and I feel for you! Learn from this and it will not happen to you again! Best wishes and thanks for coming to Worthpoint! Sharon Hi Sarah,

Oh my, I’m sorry to tell you that it seems like a lost cause. If it’s splitting all over like that, you have surmised correctly, it’s dried out. Live and learn…we’ve all been stung like that, I’ll bet. I’ve had the same thing happen to me! Is there any way you can go back to the seller and tell/show them what happened? It doesn’t seem right that it’s absolutely unwearable. If not, you have to just chalk it up to experience and maybe make a pillow or bears out of it. I would do pillows because I don’t know how to make bears! LOL But next time, test the fur out (gently) by pulling on some of the areas that would get stressed to make sure it’s still sturdy enough to wear. Don’t shake vigorously, as that can actually tear a skin, but a little pulling won’t hurt if the skins are still wearable. It’s a bummer, though, and I feel for you! Learn from this and it will not happen to you again!

Best wishes and thanks for coming to Worthpoint!

Sharon

]]> By: Sarah Manning http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-32931 Sarah Manning Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:11:45 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-32931 Hi Sharon, I bought my second black Persian (real) & the curious thing is that it is splitting. It split in the right shoulder, which I repaired with some glue & leather reinforcement (easy to so as the lining is open at the bottom of the coat. Then the left shoulder split a bit. I repaired it. Now the elbow - which I repaired then the same elbow split in another spot - so I added a large leather elbow reinforcement. This all happened the day after I bought it & I haven't even left the house with it yet! Can you tell me... why would this happen? Shall I continue fixing it or is it a lost cause? My only thought is that perhaps the hide has dried out? That perhaps it wasn't properly taken care of by its previous owner? Thanks for your help Hi Sharon,
I bought my second black Persian (real) & the curious thing is that it is splitting. It split in the right shoulder, which I repaired with some glue & leather reinforcement (easy to so as the lining is open at the bottom of the coat. Then the left shoulder split a bit. I repaired it. Now the elbow – which I repaired then the same elbow split in another spot – so I added a large leather elbow reinforcement. This all happened the day after I bought it & I haven’t even left the house with it yet!

Can you tell me… why would this happen? Shall I continue fixing it or is it a lost cause? My only thought is that perhaps the hide has dried out? That perhaps it wasn’t properly taken care of by its previous owner?

Thanks for your help

]]> By: Kay http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/persian-lamb-telling-genuine/comment-page-1#comment-32093 Kay Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:51:40 +0000 http://www.worthpoint.com/?p=2467204#comment-32093 Y'all do realize you are talking about an aborted baby lamb! That's horrifying!!! Y’all do realize you are talking about an aborted baby lamb! That’s horrifying!!!

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